Date: 24 June 2015. Is a $20k Boat too Costly?
Update: The mechanic has not been
on my boat since 3 June. You're smart. You can guess how well that
Dallas' pelican has occasionally stopped by to visit.
They grow up so fast.
The pelican is only about three feet from me. He still seems very
Last month Rich, an online friend,
contacted me and asked a few questions that quite often come up with
folks new to the boating world. With his permission I've copied our
correspondence here including things I forgot in the email. Readers
are encouraged to add additional remarks and suggestions in the
Comments section at the end of the article.
You'd be surprised how much I've
learned from a variety of sources. It's not just boaters that exist in a 12-volt
world. And all of us are on a budget. Ideas from elsewhere (Pinterest
for instance) have made their way modified onto my Seaweed.
Rich said "I just can't believe this to be true. The folks on TF mention
that for 20k the boat most likely is falling apart and in need of a
lot TLC from the PO deferred maintenance."
Every boat will need something, be
it a million dollar gem or a $20k boat. The PO aka previous owner is
one key component. Is he a bum who's sold off parts for booze? Did
he make do, as there simply wasn't the funding to do it any other
way? Or, did he replace a part with an ABC-brand market item that
works but won't last as long as XYZ-brand that costs three times as
Rich said: "Janice, as you may recall, I'm still in my research before I buy
phase. I read on the
Forum that if one purchases a
boat/trawler for $20,000 then one should plan on spending another
$20,000 to bring it up to speed."
We all spend what we have or want with regards to
"bringing her up to speed". I wanted solar panels, and back in 2008 or so
started with one 75 watt panel and a Morningstar10 solar regulator.
Bought used, for $150 at a nautical flea market.
It wasn't enough. The original set-up put out about 25 amps a day which meant I
could run my netbook and anchor light but not much more.
The original 75 watt solar panel is crosswise in
front of the wind-gen.
So in 2009 I added a wind generator.
The Air-Breeze was bought used for $500 plus some work. That was a
serious bargain. Trades are prevalent at the lower end of the
economic scale. And I was very fortunate.
With both the solar panel and the
wind-gen (Boat Talk
for wind generator) I still did not have
quite enough power to run my refrigerator. Unless it is windy.
I have a small cube made by Haier.
Walmart sold them for about $70 back then.
Note: Yes, I'm well aware the
Engel refrigerators are wonderful. They don't use much power. They
are superior. Etc. They are also out of my price range ($700+ for
one the size of my Haier) though when I
take into consideration the solar panels and accessories...
Well, we each spend where we see
logic prevailing. When the Haier quits I'll again buy a cheap and
essentially disposable refrigerator.
In 2013 I added two more 100 watt panels and a Morningstar30
solar regulator. Still not "enough" but that's where my budget sits.
So what is necessary in the end is not what I (or perhaps you
too?) will have at the beginning. It's called upgrading.
Frankly I do believe it is
possible to buy a decent $20,000 trawler, live aboard her and
cruise. She will require items for safety. There will be things you
should do before leaving the dock or boatyard.
Please understand I'm not an expert. I've learned along the way.
And goodness knows I've made plenty of mistakes. Everybody does.
First thing though, go to Amazon
links would be great!) and buy:
Old Boat. The author is well-known boat
writer Don Casey. He is extraordinarily good at explaining
prioritization. Yes, there is a lot on sailboats, however systems are
systems. It's the same stuff, except we don't have to worry about rigging.
Spend the money for the latest edition.
Boatowner's Mechanical and Electrical Manual.
This is by Nigel Calder and is "the Bible" for repairs. Even if you
don't fix it yourself, you need this book. It's commonly known as
and all too often is sitting on my dinette table as I
consult it. Again, you want the latest edition.
Calder's you will not need immediately however when something
isn't working, his book will show you how to troubleshoot and fix it.
Out here, especially when living on the hook (at anchor) it's
critical to be able to not only fix items, but diagnose what's wrong
with them. With the profuse photographs, even I can do it.
Understand that Casey's is the easier read, and Calder's is
confusing at best. BUT you need it. And eventually it will seem
clear as a bell. At least that's the way it has worked for me.
Rich said: "Some of my many past work experience include buying and flipping
houses. Most of the homes I purchased were total rehabs. I've had to
up date the electrical and added new plumbing in most of them. I'm
also very good in the mechanical area too. I use to manage an auto
garage. With these skills, I feel that if I find a Trawler with
"Good Bones", then I can fix/upgrade as I go."
You have skills, and can do this
with a lot more knowledge at the start than I had. You're very
fortunate Rich. Now, all you have to do is locate The Boat.
Finding a superior surveyor is a definite key to success. You'll
need one of them. Not a bull-dog so much as one who will see more
The surveyor I hired was an idiot. Do as I say, not as I do!
He was fine for the initial $75 eyeballs. I should have stopped
Rich said: "I feel the folks that mention that it will take 20k to condition
the boat are the folk that can afford Trawlers over the 100k price
range and would never be seen on anything less then Bristol. Or they
are not accustom to making do with what you have, as you and I are."
This is all too true. There are people with more cash than time. For them, the right
and proper solution is to throw money at the problem to make it go
We are only on this earth a short
time. If funds can get a person where they want to be in a faster
time-frame, I am right there nodding my head. None of us is getting
If I had more liquidity, I would likely do the same. And there are
people who think $2k for an autopilot is inexpensive. It's a
different world, however the view at the water's edge is the same
for all of us.
Three people enjoy their kayaks in the Steinhatchee
I remember when I sold books on eBay. Some would go for an
outrageous amount and the folks all seemed happy to buy. At first I did
hold checks. Eventually I would just send out immediately upon receipt
of payment. For them
a $50 check was 'nothing' and that's a good thing.
For me, well, it made a big difference. Still does!
Anyway, I've rambled.
When Rich said "With these skills,
I feel that if I find a Trawler with "Good Bones", then I can
fix/upgrade as I go." he was spot on correct. It's not just
knowledge already acquired that is important. Also critical is the
ability to learn. The vignette
Capable of Learning
speaks to this.
Personally, I would definitely look for a boat
that has been a home if you intend to live on her. The previous
owner will have made changes. Some won't work for you but many will
eventually seem brilliant.
Please note the word "eventually"
in the previous paragraph. Some stuff you will not understand the
purpose for initially. At some point however it will become crystal
Of course if it still is useless
and you don't know why it's there you can take it out. Throw whatever it is away. One week later
you'll know what it was for. And if you're like me, you'll want two
of them and whatever it is, it's no longer available except at premium prices.
Out here folks on the fancy boats
will buy newer/better. Often the still working item is passed along.
The urge to upgrade is strong. Being willing to go with an older
model is great for bargain hunters like me.
Rich said "Of coarse my first
line of action would be making the boat safe for passage. This would
include upgrading the electrical wiring if needed and making it
That's a good plan. Read Casey's book
This Old Boat for that. His
prioritization schedule is well-thought out. Follow that for
certain. And refer to
Calder's for how to do the
jobs properly. Those two will take you a long way in rehabilitating
a boat with good bones.
Coming soon, an article on where to find that $20k
And you're correct:
Having a boat that can move is
As for me, I'm going to shop for an outboard to put on the
transom as an auxiliary power ASAP. If there's a storm this year I
want to be able to get out of my own way. And too, when I broke down
off Horseshoe Beach it would have been nice to have been able to get
her to safe port, albeit slowly.
Have you settled on the type of boat you want to buy?
And have you cash saved to buy your dream boat?
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